Despite Bluey’s enormous, global popularity, the cast and crew are a tight-knit family, often literally. In part 2 of our story on Bluey, the show’s sound designer and mixer Dan Brumm breaks down the surprising connections between the voice actors, the real-life inspiration behind classic episodes, and how he ended up voicing a key role on the show.

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You're listening to Twenty Thousand Hertz. I'm Dallas Taylor.

[music in: Speedy the Spider - The Limbo Twist]

In our last episode, we explored the sound of Bluey with the show’s sound designer and mixer, Dan Brumm. To craft the show’s organic sound, Dan uses all kinds of techniques… from recording birds, creeks and playgrounds all over Brisbane, to applying a low pass filter to the sound effects to give them a more warm, rounded tone.

[music in: Stationary Sign - Save the Date]

Now, my three daughters are all huge Bluey fans. And my eight year old had a question about how they record the actors.

Girls: It's about all the people who do like, talking and stuff. How do they do that? ‘Cause like, we can't just press on a video that's already done and there's already sound on it.

Right.

Girls: ‘Cause they have to draw it first.

Mmhmm. Or they might do the sound first and then draw it.

Girls: They do?

Isn't that cool?

Girls: Yeah.

[music out into in: Mike Fanklyn - Hearts Off Duty]

In Bluey, like in most cartoons, the actors record their lines before it gets animated. This gives the actors much more freedom in their delivery. And after they record, the editors can use all those takes to build the most natural and impactful dialog edit.

Bluey might be a cartoon about a family of dogs, but the dynamic between these actors always feels believable and human.

Here’s a clip of the family playing a board game called Pop Up Croc. It looks a bit like Jenga, but with a spring loaded piece that pops out when you mess up.

[clip: Bluey - Pop Up Croc]

Bluey: Easy!

Bingo: Bluey, be safe!

Bluey: Ahh! Aww, not fair!

Bandit: How good’s Pop Up Croc?

Bluey: Again!

Chili: No. Upstairs for bedtime!

Bluey: Noooooo!

Watching these scenes, it feels like these actors must be recording together, so they can bounce off each others' energy. But it turns out....

Dan Brumm: In every single case, every actor is recorded individually. In different booths, different cities sometimes…

[music in: Alexandra Woodward - Suburban Secret]

Dan Brumm: G'day, I'm Dan Brumm. I'm the sound designer for Bluey.

While the actors record, they're guided by the director, which is one of two people. The first is Joe Brumm, the series creator and Dan's older brother…

Dan Brumm: He's a really good line reader. He reads you the line, you do your own takes of it, and he'll kind of reign you in.

The second is Richard Jeffery.

Dan Brumm: …the series director for Two and Three.

This arrangement means that the cast members rarely interact in person.

Dan Brumm: It feels like we have the show so warm and natural, but you just, you don't interact.

In 2023, Jimmy Fallon interviewed the actors who voice the parents on Bluey. That's Dave McCormack, who plays Bandit, and Melanie Zanetti, who plays Bandit's wife Chili. Keep in mind, this is five years after Bluey started. Here's Jimmy Fallon…

[clip: Jimmy Fallon]

Jimmy Fallon: You were telling me backstage, you just met each other…

Dave McCormack: Two days ago.

Melanie Zanetti: Two days ago, first time.

Jimmy Fallon: But, so wh—I’m sorry, how?

Melanie Zanetti: So we record separately.

Jimmy Fallon: Yeah.

Melanie Zanetti: Um, we live in different cities and I travel a lot for work.

Jimmy Fallon: Yeah.

Melanie Zanetti: So this is the first time.

Even Dan, who's been with the show from the beginning, still hasn't met some of the actors face to face.

Dan Brumm: I've never actually met Dave McCormack. He records all his parts down in Sydney.

Again, Dave McCormack plays the dad, Bandit. But it turns out, Dan and his brother Joe have been fans of Dave since long before Bluey started.

[clip: Custard - Girls Like That]

Dan Brumm: Dave, I mean, he's from this band that we loved as kids, Custard.

Dan Brumm: A local Brisbane sort of pop punk band who had a bit of fame around the world.

Dave McCormack is Custard's lead singer

Here's one of their classics.

Dan Brumm: And me and my brothers grew up, I think might've been the first concert I ever went to, I jumped the fence into this festival and they were playing, you know, I loved them.

[music in: Kikoru - Odd Coincidence]

Before Bluey, Dave had never done any voice acting. as he told Jimmy Fallon.

[clip: Jimmy Fallon]

Dave McCormack: I was walking out of a lift. Someone I knew was walking into the lift, and they said, “I know someone who’s making a show about a cartoon dog family. Maybe you’d want to be the dad voice?”

Dave McCormack: And I was like, “I can’t act! I can’t do that! It’s—” And he said “Can you read?” I said, “Well, I can read a bit.”

Dan Brumm: And as soon as you heard his voice, it's perfect.

[clip: Bluey - Keepy Uppy]

Bingo: Oh, good morning everybody, said good morning everyone! Ugh. What up, party people?

As you can hear, Dave's speaking voice is virtually the same as his Bandit voice. And that sometimes throws kids off.

Dave McCormack: Parents say, “Come and meet my kid,” like, “They love the show.” And I’m like, “Aww, don’t. They normally burst into tears. ‘Cause they think I’ve like eaten Bandit and his voice is coming out—”

Jimmy Fallon: They don’t understand it, yeah.

As for Melanie Zanetti, Dan actually met her years ago.

Dan Brumm: How she came into the show is when we did the pilot episode, Joe had a different voice actor play the mum. And I think that ABC weren't quite into it, I can't quite remember. But I had Melanie come to my studio just to record some innocuous corporate video, ‘cause we were with the same agency.

[clip: Melanie Zanetti VO Sample]

Melanie Zanetti: Apply now for 2017, and partner up with CQ University.

Dan Brumm: I'd only really just met her recently, but she had such a beautiful voice and I knew that she could act. And so we did the voiceover and I said, "Oh look, we're just working on this cartoon.”

[clip: Jimmy Fallon]

Melanie Zanetti: And he said, “My brother’s creating this animation, you’ve got a great voice, do you want to work some voiceovers down?”

Dan Brumm: And I showed her a bit of it, and her eyes just lit up and she's like, “Yes, this show is beautiful!”

Melanie Zanetti: I’d already seen the pilot, and I had fallen in love. Like, the most cute, like, “My heart hurts, this is so cute” show.

Dan Brumm: And so she just threw down a demo. I sent it to Joe, and he really liked it.

Melanie Zanetti: And then, they did their due diligence, and auditioned for like three months, and then came back and said, “No, you were right.”

Dan Brumm: And then the rest is history.

[clip: Bluey - Born Yesterday]

Chili: Yoohoo! Hi, I’m your wife.

Bandit: My wife?

Chili: Yes. And if you want me to stay your wife, you’ll learn about dishwashers.

[music in: Josef Bel Habib - The Life of a Divorced Bumblebee]

Bluey's explosion in popularity has made Dave and Melanie into celebrities. But from the beginning, the identities of the child actors have been kept a secret. That includes Bluey, Bingo, their cousins, and all of their friends. And that's very purposeful.

Dan Brumm: There's just no reason to have a kid's name revealed. Probably most of the kids aren't actors. They're just kids of cast, crew, friends kind of thing. They're doing this adult thing, which is making an animated series, but just let them be kids and have their own lives. And I think it's a really, really wonderful decision the production company made.

Yeah, I don't even reveal the names of my children on my podcast, which is much smaller. And that's entirely the same reason.

Dan Brumm: Yeah. There's absolutely no reason anyone needs to know. It's just, enjoy the show for what it is, and just let them be kids.

In virtually every cartoon out there, the child characters are actually voiced by adults. This is true in everything from Rugrats…

Tommy Pickle: This playground is for good kids who get along and play nice!

to Power Puff Girls…

Powerpuff Girls: Wow, professor, thanks!

Powerpuff Girls: Yeah, tha—Hey, this is a quarter!

to Bob's Burgers…

Louise Belcher: These ears mean a lot to you, Logan. So how about you keep ‘em?

But for Bluey, Joe Brumm always knew that he wanted these characters voiced by real kids.

Dan Brumm: I think this is what's unique about Bluey is that the way my brother writes for kids, he writes the kids lines the way that kids actually speak.

[clip: Bluey - The Weekend]

Bingo: There’s a leaf bug in the way!

Lila: Aww, she’s so cute.

Bingo: You have to be more careful, Leaficus.

Lila: You’re lucky we didn’t squash you.

When Joe and Richard record these kids, they already have a good idea of how they want the lines to sound.

Dan Brumm: They'll say the line, and the kid will copy them as best they can. And we've been very lucky to get kids that have these great musical ears that can pick up on all the nuances of the director's read, and kind of match it musically.

[clip: Bluey - Relax]

Bluey: The toilet’s got a ribbon!?

Bingo: Maybe it won a prize.

Bluey: Yeah, the best toilet in the world!

Dan Brumm: But often they kind of go off script a little and sort of hit a weird key or a weird intonation or something like that…

[clip: Bluey - BBQ]

Bingo: Isn’t anyone going to mention the salads!?

Dan Brumm: And it ends up funnier than the director could have planned himself and that line invariably is the one that ends up getting used.

[clip: Bluey - BBQ]

Muffin: I love sausages!

Socks: (Barks)

That sincere, childish delivery really shines through in Bingo and Bluey's squeaky giggles.

[clip: Bluey & Bingo giggling]

They're so good. They're the best laughs in all of animated ever.

Dan Brumm: Yeah, I think they are.

[clip: Bluey & Bingo giggling]

Chili: You kept raising the roof!

Dan Brumm: You know, they're sincere. You don't just ask a kid to laugh. You, you tickle them or you, you do some silly face and it's this real laughter.

[clip: Bluey & Bingo giggling]

Bandit: Bingo, calm it down a bit, mate.

Dan Brumm: And I think that's why they end up sounding so genuine and so funny.

[clip: Bingo giggling]

Bingo: Oooh, banana!

What's your favorite sound on Bluey?

Girls: It's Bingo's voice.

That's my youngest daughter.

What is it about Bingo's voice that you like so much?

Girls: Um, because she talks kind of like me.

[clip: Bluey - The Weekend]

Bingo: Daddy!

Bandit: Yes, mate?

Bingo: Just leaves the door open this much. So the leaf can come in.

One of the most heartwarming things about this show is how many of these voices come from Bluey’s crew and their families. For example, there's The Busker, a musician dog whose signature line is…

Busker: Who likes to dance!?

He's voiced by the show's composer, Joff Bush.

Busker: Thanks matey! That deserves another song!

Then there's Bluey and Bingo's grandmother, Chris Heeler. Nana: Hi, girls!

She's voiced by, and named after Joe and Dan's mother, Chris Brumm.

Nana: Oh yes, Bingo. I floss every night.

Joe also named the grandfather Bob Heeler, after their dad Bob Brumm. On the show, real-life Bob actually doesn’t voice Grandpa Bob. But he did do the voice for one of the Grey Nomads in the episode Road Trip.

Grey Nomad: Would you like a Big Peanut sticker? I’ve got a spare one!

Bingo: Oh, yes please!

And it turns out, there’s one more close relative who has a key role on the show....

[music in: Mike Franklyn - Curiosity Cabinet]

Dan Brumm: A bit of a back story is that I have this bizarre graying stripe down the middle of my head and so my older brother, he calls me Stripe, and amongst all the cousins, I'm Uncle Stripe.

Dan Brumm: And then I saw a script which was “Horsey Ride” come across my desk, and there was a character in it called Uncle Stripe. And I thought, "Great. I think that character might be written for me.”

There was no heads up. Dan’s brother Joe just knew that he would get the message.

Dan Brumm: I think I first found out just from the script there and thought, "Ah, okay. I'm going to give this a red hot crack as an audition."

In Bluey, Uncle Stripe is Bandit's brother. He's got stubble on his face, and a light blue stripe around his abdomen.

Dan Brumm: And obviously I was auditioned, and I had to be able to do the role.

Fortunately, along with being a sound designer, Dan also had years of experience as a voiceover artist.

Dan Brumm: When living and working around here, it’s all about taking pride in what you do. About being part of a community.

For Dan, the role of Uncle Stripe felt especially natural. Stripe: Hey kids, how ya going? Hey brother.

Dan Brumm: He's just me. Like people ask you to do the Stripe voice, it's like, well, it's just me. (laughs)

Stripe: What are you talking about? Nothing happens when you press my nose.

But that doesn't mean that Stripe is always low-key.

Dan Brumm: He sort of yells a lot, Stripe, and you just scream, like, from the belly and you just really give it your all…

Stripe: Yeaaaah!!!

Dan Brumm: And then the animators love that, because they've got this just full range, wild line that they can kind of animate however they'd like to. And it ends up just funnier on screen.

Stripe: Let’s get on it!

[music in: Guy Trevino and Friends - Lenox Avenue]

Not only does Joe like to cast his friends and family on the show, he also draws from his real life experiences with these people to write these stories. In fact, some of the funniest and most poignant moments on the show came from real life.

Dan Brumm: I think that's why it's so funny, just ‘cause it was a real line that a kid did say.

That's coming up, after the break.

MIDROLL

[music in: Guy Trevino and Friends - Lenox Avenue]

In many ways, Bluey is a family affair. The series was created by Joe Brumm. His brother Dan sound designs and mixes the show, and also voices Uncle Stripe. Their parents, Bob and Chris have both voiced characters. And the kids in the show are voiced by the children of cast, crew and friends.

When writing the show, Joe draws on all of these connections to make Bluey feel relatable. Like the episode Squash, where Bandit and Stripe face off in a squash game.

[clip: Bluey - Squash]

Bandit: Big brothers always beat little brothers. That’s just the way it goes!

Dan Brumm: I've got two brothers, Joe and my older brother Adam, and we played a lot of squash, sort of in our twenties and thirties.

Squash is a high speed game played in a small, enclosed court.

Dan Brumm: Squash with your brothers is different to squash with friends, because it's combat squash. You're just, you’re swinging, you're running, it's wild and it's dangerous.

[Bluey - Squash sounds in]

Stripe: Take that! Awww.

Dan Brumm: From a sound design point of view, it was so much fun, because you can't fake a game of squash. It's such a specific sound.

Dan Brumm: So I went down to a squash court and I recorded myself hitting squash balls, bouncing against walls, hitting the glass.

Dan Brumm: You know, and the cheats of like the squeak of the shoe.

[clip: Bluey - Squash]

Dan Brumm: Now, a dog's foot wouldn't make that sound, but if you're watching a rally of squash and you don't have that high-pitched reverberant squeak of a shoe, [sfx] it's just not going to sound and feel like a game of squash.

Dan actually has a co-writing credit on this episode. It was his idea to make Bluey and Bingo control Bandit and Stripe like video game characters.

Stripe: Ugh, just do your best, Bingo.

Bingo: I’m trying, but my controller isn’t working properly.

Bandit: I don’t think it’s the controller, kid.

No matter how hard he tries, Stripe just can't seem to beat Bandit.

Stripe: Aww, why do you keep losing?

Bandit: Because big brothers always beat little brothers.

Dan Brumm: The genesis of that story of, “big brothers always beat little brothers,” is kind of true, because Joe just would always win. No matter how hard you tried, he just had that edge.

But this episode differs from real life a bit. Uncle Stripe ends up winning, after some inspiring words from Bingo.

Stripe: You’ll probably have a better chance of winning with your dad.

Bingo: No, I want us to win.

Stripe: Oh really? Why is that?

Bingo: Because big sisters don’t always beat little sisters. There, I fixed you!

Stripe: Yeah, Bingo. You did.

Even some of the dialogue in Bluey comes from real life. Like when Bingo trips on a can of baked beans.

[clip: Bluey - Grannies]

Dan Brumm: Often, the three of us brothers will get together and you just kind of laugh about various things that your kids have said and that was my little, she would have been two and a half at the time. She was eating a bowl of baked beans, and she dropped the bowl of baked beans, and then she literally slipped on them, and like, she went, "Ah, I slipped on my beans!"

Dan Brumm: And so I would have told that to my brother, and next minute, I see that it's ended up in “Grannies,” and it's this immortalized line.

Bingo: I slipped on my beans!

Dan Brumm: I think that's why it's so funny, just ‘cause it was a real line that a kid did say.

[music in: Trevor Kowalski - Saltwater Glide]

While Joe brings his real life experiences into the writing of Bluey, Dan often does the same thing with the sound.

Dan Brumm: I was actually watching back on the episode “Wagon Ride” from season one. And I really liked it because, again, the sound design is about capturing the feeling of what the story is trying to convey.

Dan Brumm: And that episode is set in an early morning. The kids have woken up Bandit, and he's got to take him for a walk.

[clip: Bluey - Wagon Ride]

Bandit: Ugh, Chili!

Bandit: Asleep.

Bandit: Ugh, alright. Let’s do this.

Bluey: Hooray!

As parents know, this kind of thing happens a lot.

Dan Brumm: There's early mornings, and then there's early mornings, of when your kid wakes up. My oldest daughter, she would wake up at 4 o'clock every morning, and I would have to take her out of the house and take her for a big walk, so that my wife and our baby could keep sleeping.

Dan Brumm: And the sound out in the world at 4 in the morning is very different from 6 o'clock in the morning. It's different from 5 o'clock in the morning, that first hour, it's just whole different birds.

Bluey: Okay, let’s go!

Bandit: Seatbelts!

Bingo: Dad, there are no seatbelts!

Bandit: Oh yeah. Off we go!

Dan Brumm: And then as you go for the walk, by the time you finish the walk, more and more birds have woken up.

Bandit: Come on, Bingo. Let’s roll!

Bingo: Coming! Jasmine, I’ve got some birthday ferns!

Dan Brumm: And I think I did a pretty good job in that episode. It just, It feels beautiful and lush and lovely.

Bandit: You ladies are certainly up early.

Bluey: Oh yes, it’s got to be done.

Throughout the episode, Bandit pulls the kids around in a red wagon.

Bluey: You won’t get us today, bridge trolls!

Bandit: Yeah, bridge trolls! Eat some other kids!

Dan Brumm: The show is obviously very much based on my brother's experience raising his kids. And so, that's what he used to do, he used to take his kids in the wagon. So the first thing I did as a sound designer is I borrowed that wagon off him, and I recorded myself pushing and pulling that around my street in the area.

[clip: Dan’s wagon recording]

Dan Brumm: But I needed the weight of having two kids in it. So I put my two kids in it, and I wheeled them around and that got that lovely really nice weighted metal cart sound.

[clip: Dan’s wagon recording]

Dan Brumm: And you can hear, between the takes I've used my kids laughing and squealing ‘cause they're having so much fun. Their dad was pushing them around in this trolley at five in the morning.

[clip: Dan’s wagon recording]

Dan Brumm: And so now they're frozen in time at two and four. And they're eight and ten now. It's this beautiful little time capsule which only I know about.

[clip: Dan’s wagon recording]

[music in: Stationary Sign - Simple Magic]

Bluey is inspired by the family lives of the people who make it. And in turn, these stories give families like mine our own special moments. At one point, my daughters started saying this phrase that my wife and I just couldn’t figure out.

For the longest time, I had two different daughters, who said the same thing. They were just like, “I wanna play Passel Passel.”

Girls: Passel, Passel

And I was like, “Passel, Passel?” It took us forever. It took us like six weeks to figure out like, “What are you talking about?” “Passel, passel, passel, passel.”

Girls: Pass the Passel.

But then my wife and I saw the episode of Bluey where the kids play this game that’s apparently common in Australia. It’s like musical chairs, but instead of changing seats, you pass around a present. The game, in my very American accent, is called Pass the Parcel.

[music stop for clip: Bluey - Pass the Parcel]

Bandit: Okay, ready for Pass the Parcel?

<span data-preserve-html-node="true" style="color:rgb(203,59,109)"Kids: Yeah!

Girls: Pass the Passel. Um, where they pass presents.

[music resumes]

We realized that they were saying “Pass the Parcel,” but with an Australian accent. And it was so cute.

Dan Brumm: That's amazing.

Chili: You ready for Pass the Parcel, kids?

<span data-preserve-html-node="true" style="color:rgb(203,59,109)"Kids: Yeah!

Bingo: I love Pass the Parcel!

Girls: The reason why I say Pass the Passel is because it's kind of hard for me to speak.

[music in: Trevor Kowalski - A Winter To Remember]

Pass the Parcel isn’t the only game we’ve gotten from Bluey.

I play Keepy Uppy at least once a week.

Dan Brumm: Yeah, nice.

I love it.

This aspect of the show isn’t by accident. The creators are very conscious of how these stories impact parents.

Dan Brumm: Some parents find it hard to play with their kids, to have the imagination to come up with these games. But what Bluey has given those parents is a bunch of games that they can just play.

Dan Brumm: And so the kids are then getting much more fun times with their parents. And that's what you hear everywhere, is that it's just encouraged dads and mums to play with their kids. And there's no better outcome from a TV show, right? Than bringing families together and playing these games.

Dan Brumm: The unfortunate thing is that those games aren't just a seven minute game. It's a game that the kid wants to play for five hours in a row, when the cricket's on.

[clip: Bluey - Horsey Ride]

Bandit: Alright, girls. Who wants to sit on the couch and watch cricket?

Bluey: Not me!

Bandit: No way! Let’s play Horsey Ride!

Cousins: Yeah!

Stripe: Well, we gave it a shot.

Dan Brumm: That's parenting for ya.

More than any specific game, for me, the biggest takeaway from Bluey is just relatable stories about being a parent. Like in one episode, where Chilli's cooking dinner. She has Bingo in one ear telling jokes that don't make sense, while Bluey is in the other ear practicing her recorder.

[clip: Bluey - Sheep Dog]

Chili: Potato who?

Bingo: Potato drives a car to the potato shop, and buys a potato.

Chili: That’s a good one Bingo. Bluey!

Bluey: Sorry!

When Bandit gets home, Chili tells him that she needs a break.

Chili: Right. Dinner’s in the slow cooker, and they’ve had afternoon tea. I need twenty minutes where no one comes near me.

Bluey: What?

Bandit: Ah, yep. Okay, come on kids! Daddy daughter time!

But the girls don't understand, and they think they've done something wrong.

Bluey: I’m sorry for whatever I did to upset you.

Chili: You didn’t do anything to upset me, sweetheart.

Bluey: Then why don’t you want to see us?

Chili: I do wanna see you. But it can be hard work looking after kids. Sometimes, mums just need twenty minutes.

Bluey: I don’t understand!

Chili: You will one day, sweetheart.

[music in: Megan Wofford - One More Step]

Dan Brumm: Parenting is, it's such a hard journey. And it's so lovely, and it's so emotional… But it's tiring and it's frustrating and it's every single emotion you can experience.

Dan Brumm: And then suddenly with Bluey, these stories are so sincere. It's so believable and so relatable in that all of us parents who are playing these games behind closed doors that no one sees, suddenly it's like you see yourself up on screen, and you realize we're all going through it together.

Dan Brumm: And for me, that's the power of this show, and that's just this gift to the world that my brother has, has given.

How does Bluey the show make you feel about your family?

Girls: Umm, makes us feel more ordinary, for sure.

In the Taylor household, Bluey is the one show that me, my wife, and our three girls can all enjoy together. We can laugh, we can cry, we can learn a goofy new game to play... And most importantly, we can learn to understand each other just a little bit better.

Dan Brumm: And I mean, that's what this show is, ever since it came out in 2018, I'd tell people that I work on it and their eyes would just light up. And they'd… they’d just want to tell you how much this show means to them and their family.

Dan Brumm: I'm very fortunate and very lucky to be able to play a role in a show like this. But it's a really nice feeling to know that something you work on is just creating so much happiness and so much joy around the world.

[music in: Speedy the Spider - The Limbo Twist]

Girls: Twenty Thousand Hertz is produced out of the sound design studios of Defacto Sound. Hear more at Defacto Sound dot com.

Other Voices: This episode was written and produced by Nikolas Harter, and Casey Emmerling, with help from Grace East. It was sound designed and mixed by Jesus Arteaga and Jade Dickey.

Girls: A huge thanks to sound designer Dan Brumm.

I'm Dallas Taylor. Thanks for listening.

Alright, I'm about to hit stop. Anybody else want to say anything to the microphone before I hit stop?

Girls: We love Bluey!

Girls: Yay!